The new ALS poll question asks you who is the best Australian libertarian solo-blogger?
This is a good opportunity for you to check out some Australian libertarian blogs that you might not have checked out before. If you haven’t visited Fleeced, Pommygranate, Double Think or Real World Libertarian before, then go have a look.
The more famous bloggers on the list include Andrew Norton (who claims in vain not to be a libertarian) and Jennifer Marohasy, and I’ve also included a few of the “old hands” of Australian libertarian blogging who have been quiet lately (The Raving Wingnut, A Yobbo’s View, Bovination). Other blogs on the list include James Waterton’s The Daily Constitutional, Melbourne activist PRODOS, the econoblog Institutional Economics and thinker & artist Chris Berg.
I tried to include every libertarian solo political blogger, but if I have forgotten somebody then please tell me so that we can update the ALS links.
The highly scientific results to the last question are now available. In response to the question “if the government must act on climate change, which should it do“, 60% of people supported a carbon tax offset with other tax cuts while 22% refused to answer the question. Other options, such as nationalising the energy industry, introducing carbon trading or picking winners, got a handful of votes each.
UPDATE 24/05: Terje pointed out that I didn’t include Graeme Bird’s blog and I also realised (to my embarassment) that I hadn’t included long-time Australian libertarian blogger Tex & his whackingday blog. Both have now been added, but that means the voting had to be re-set. Apologies.
I thought i was a ‘war-mongering socialist’ John? 🙂
Anyway, i need some legal advice urgently. Please see my blog.
Oh no… “war socialist” is only applicable when we’re arguing. 🙂 Now go and vote.
Sorry, Pommy, I am not your alter ego, and I did NOT vote for you.
And what would be wrong with being a ‘war-mongering socialist’? You make it sound bad! So long as you want to wage war on Canbra, you’ll get no hinderance from me! And if you are a s-o-c-i-a-l-i-s-t, it’s always good for the rest of us to get to know and meet our enemies.
Q. How many socialists would it take to change a light bulb?
A. What, you speak to socialists? (Backs away quietly…)
Pommy – you’re a war mongering socialist pragmatic libertarian wag. And my blog is better than yours and as one of the three people that have ever visited my blog you’re one of the few people who should know that. In fact as one of the most peaceful blogs on the Internet I think mine should win by default (you war mongering socialist pragmatic libertarian wags may not know it but peacful is rather good and also quite economical). 😎
Terje, you are so peaceful you put John to sleep, which is why your name is not on the list. My one vote went to someone else, sorry.
Your one vote? No, no, no. You get one vote per day. So go on… share the love.
I’m shocked that our libertarian guiding light Graeme Bird has been omitted from the list. Out of protest I shall refuse to vote. I’d ask that others join me in holding our breath in protest until this grave injustice is rectified.
Nicholas – if my alter ego isn’t going to vote for me, then im pulling out now. there’s no hope.
Terje – i dont mind “war mongering socialist pragmatic libertarian” but “wag”?
OK Terje… Birdie was added. He had better not win. 🙂
I had to re-set the votes, so if you voted before the re-set then please vote again. And again.
Phew. I can breath again. I was starting to go a bit blue so I’m glad you have seen the light.
I was beginning to think you didn’t care
The link in the article at the top of this discussion needs to be updated.
You will have to do it again,you spelt Pommygranate wrong, he may use it as a reason to take to the Electoral Commission if he looses.
Opps. Sorry pommy.
Now… who the HELL is VOTING FOR GRAEME BIRD. Don’t give me that JIVE you tax-eaters. Global warming is a hoax. And it’s good anyway. And banking is evil. The government MUST BAN banking. Don’t be such deep red COMMUNISTS. Don’t STIFFLE THE DEBATE you butt-pirates. And don’t DISAGGREGATE THE HYDRA. We MUST INVADE somewhere. I’d like to keep USING CAPS LOCK but I have to hide from the TERRORISTS.
If those were quotes from Graeme Bird, You missed one that something to do with you. Dont worry mate I am socially tolerant.
Just had a really good laugh at this post (and the comments). Hard to pick from that list – they’re all regular reads for me.
You like asking tricky questions, obviously…
Thanks Terje. I think GB is taking all the war-mongering votes.
Whoever voted for me, cheque in the post.
With a legal name like yours, are you available for some pro bono work all for a good cause?
Close…but I voted for Strawman’s bovination.
I should start a free banking blog to piss off bird!
I just discovered that if I delete the cookie that pollcode places on my computer, I can vote as often as I like. Oh goodie.
I just inadvertently posted an article on the Exec blog meant for here. Would you mind re-directing it. thanks 🙂
Don’t we get live televised debates or something?
No debates? We’ve been fleeced!
Also worth noting is that someone of Mr Humphreys intellect still can’t spell the name of my website correctly……..
So far it’s looking like I backed a winner with my little breath holding tantrum. John may never forgive me. 😀
Tim Lambert has suggested that the Bird vote might be coming from anti-libertarians trying to make us look bad by implying that Bird is the best we have. What have you done to us Terje!
At the moment Graeme’s blog (40%) is apparently as good as Andrew Norton (25%), Bovination (7%), Pommygranate (5%) and Jennifer Marohasy (3%) combined! Wow.
Bird has more genuine admirers than you think, John. For instance scroogemcduck and dover beach who comment on catallaxy (funny they’ve both got bird related pseudonyms!). I think he gets a bit of a sympathy vote because he just tries so hard and is very dedicated in his own way …
even if his dedication is to the destruction of your political career! 🙂
Graeme is getting the libertarians-don’t-place-other-libertarians-in-moderation protest vote.
I’m most disapointed not to be on the list 😦
mabye next year 😉
I’m not sure if you’re a libertarian with conservative leanings, Iain, or a conservative with libertarian leanings. I suppose we’ll have to investigate!
Hi John H,
You should have included Graham Young at Ambit Gambit http://ambit-gambit.nationalforum.com.au/ . He describes himself as classic liberal … so does this mean he is really a libertarian?
Anyway, thanks for including me and I’ve given your poll some promotion at my site … in the hope that I get a few more votes. 🙂
My archives are open, but your question does rather reminds me of the old song “lets call the whole thing off” you say tomato and I say tAmato ect.
Personally I class my self as a libertarian first….
Having debated Graham Young on his blog extensively several years ago there is no way I would refer to him as a libertarian. He is way to comfortable with large government and high taxes and too Keynesian in his economics.
Regarding comment #26. Have you considered there may be a cookie monster* amoungst us? You said yourself that people should vote often.
However I must say this does make me giggle. Assuming Graeme wins then following your write up announcing the brilliant 2007 winner I’m expecting a huge influx of victims to Graemes blog where they can enjoy being flogged with swear words and personal abuse.
* It’s not me.
It’s not me either, I’m the other guy who votes for Strawman.
Oh come on Terje, I’m not sure that I’m a libertarian, but to suggest that I am in favour of big taxes, big government and Keynesian remedies is absurd. I don’t think I’ve had a Keynesian thought since at least 1983, which is about half a life-time ago.
Are you still spruiking supply-side snake oil?
Where is the snake oil? – Incentives matter.
A good criticism is that lowering taxes will make people work harder. It won’t. Some people no longer are punished for working hard, others, now can invest rationally and work less.
What do you mean by snake oil Graham? Look up Martin Feldstein’s work on taxation.
Mark — are you arguing that the income effect will exceed the substitution effect? Most evidence on the income tax indicates the opposite. Sinclair Davidson summerised some of the evidence in his CIS paper “Are there any good arguments against cutting income tax?”
Click to access pm69.pdf
There is no denying that supply-side economics has value.
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What I am saying is that you are correct, for some (most) people.
Our inefficient and expensive tax system makes some people work too hard, and makes others avoid work (or at least working here).
I am disgusted at the suggestion that we should vote more than once! I thought this would be an honest vote, but if we can vote multiple times, then where is the value in the voting? For all we know, john may be casting all the votes himself- how could you prove otherwise?
lol — Given the current state of the vote I think you can be fairly sure that I am not the one stacking the outcome. And online polls are always open to abuse (multiple computers etc), so there’s little point being too delicate about the whole process.
Feel free to vote as many times as you want, your votes simply won’t register unless you delete your cookies. Most people including me would be loath to do so because I have a lot of passwords to a lot of sites which I’ve forgotten so deleting cookies just to slant the result slightly is a pretty trivial gain for a lot of faffing around afterwards.
Graham – I just call it how I see it. I won’t be refering to you as a libertarian unless I see evidence to suggest that you are. And in fact I’ve never seen you refer to yourself as a libertarian anyway.
Mark – the point is that tax cuts lift productivity through improved resource allocation in the same way that the reduction in any trade barrier does.
I am still not going to “share the love”. I don’t believe in promiscuous voting! It just leads to tears all around, unkept promises, illegitimate party platforms, etc. I am a Libertarian, NOT a Libertine!
“The same way”…
Not really, but I agree resource allocation is more optimal. Income or consumption tax is like a tariff on all goods, as you’ve previously mentioned.
Actually it’s not on all goods which is why it effects resource allocation. There are a whole stack of tasks that any household can elect to insourse or outsourse. These include cooking, cleaning, renovating, baby sitting, financial planning, accounting, gardening, entertainment, teaching, dog grooming, mechanical repairs etc as well as decisions about when to upgrade or repair labour saving devices.
The extent to which we sell our specialised skills and buy in what our household needs is very much tied up in the trade barriers that exist between households. The plumber will do his own home carpentry if the tax rate is high enough in spite of it entailing lower levels of productivity.
When income taxes, GST and compulsory superannuation are included it is not unusual for inter-household tariffs to exceed 100%. Add in welfare related EMTRs and we have some quite massive tariffs on interhousehold trade. All of which effect productivity and prosperity. This is not entirely different from the issue of work incentives but it is in my view a more complete insight.
Now that I’ve actually looked at Andrew Nortons blog I think I’ll vote differently next year.
Terje – thanks for your support, mate.
Humphreys – keep this damn poll open. My campaign is just starting to generate momentum.
Yes, of course Norton is a far superior blogger, but you dont get hot babes cleverly incorporated into serious libertarian discussions over there.
“The extent to which we sell our specialised skills and buy in what our household needs is very much tied up in the trade barriers that exist between households. The plumber will do his own home carpentry if the tax rate is high enough in spite of it entailing lower levels of productivity.”
Such a situation does not occur with international trade. Kiribati can’t produce diamonds, ever.
Factor endowments and the basis for international trade means that the effect of a flat tariff is different to a flat tax. Although there exists many different work/leisure preferences, across households the differences can be more or less averaged out, to an extent. This can’t be done at all in international or interregional trade, even if everyones work/leisure preferences were identical.
Pommygranate telleth big fibs! He has only ONE hot babe on his website, and only ONE photo (of Salma Hayek), and she has all her clothes on! I’m glad I voted for someone else!
I have pictures of Britney, Angelina, Paris, Linday, Ashley, Jennifer and Paris in this one article alone.
A serious post, of course, on the root causes of popular celebrity.
YES!!! YES!!! YES!!! That’s much better, Pommy!! The “hot babes” link should be scrapped- the “one article alone.” link is the place to go! I realise that most bloggers seem to be male, but what are you doing for the female writers amongst us? Do you have photos of brainy men, since women go for brains? Or do you think you won’t need their votes?
That’s awfully sexist of you. I have plenty of material for the female readers and writers. In fact I have plenty of pictures of brainy men.
Irrespective of whether Pommy or Andrew has a better blog, it seems that more and more jokers are voting for Graeme. Terje (say terg) you bastard.
I can’t keep up with Pommy through normal means, so I’m playing the race card
I cannot believe you have just polled 15 votes playing the race card. Im ashamed of my new country.
Nah – most of those came before it… Not enough people read my blog for it to have had that effect.
Pommygranate, you say “sexist” as though that were a bad thing! Why are those photos on your site, then? Oh, that’s right, to lead readers to the informative articles! Silly me.
Pommy’s now in the lead… Graeme must be furious – he’s coming 3rd 🙂
No way I can catch Poms now – even with my buddies voting every day… I’m still way back in 5th!
I’m pleased that libertarians show such a strong will to win. Althought the scope for multiple voting suggests that it’s not a very reputable race to be in.
I’m not worried about Pommy. Just so long as Norton doesn’t win.
Pommies got his network and he’ll win if he wants to.
14 people actually voted for me. You freaks.
Tex, it could be worse than you think- with Pommygranate bribing us with eye-candy, and Fleeced pandering to our racist fears, you actually seem normal and safe! How bad is that?
If Fleeced wins this, i’m filing a complaint to he UN about the race issue.
I might file a complaint with the UN regarding voting anomolies.
At least we haven’t sunk to the level of a Federal Politician! OUR contestants don’t mention each other’s families at all! I’ll vote for the polly who promises bread and circuses! And to halve all taxes and double all services!
Who’s going to bribe us? Please?
I have long promised to cut taxes and maintain spending on services. Not quite what you wanted but near enough.
In 1996 Howard should have made a solemn core promised to maintain in real terms the then current level of per capita government spending. If he had made and kept such a promise we would now quite easily be one of the lowest taxed people in the world.
Everyone’s bored of this competition now. Declare Fleeced the winner and be done with it!
At least Howard proved his honesty, by NOT making a promise he wasn’t going to keep!
I trust, though, that Honest Terje (Trusty Terje?) is going to keep his core election bribes?
“I have long promised to cut taxes and maintain spending on services.”
Disgraceful. Are you saying that no taxeater need clear his desk?
I never would have thought to describe Andrew Norton as a libertarian (and it appears neither would he) – which makes it all the more interesting that he is topping the poll at the moment.
(although given the dodgy multiple voting rules combined with cookie monster activity, all rolled up in a stone age first past the post voting system, it does make it all rather less than ideal – except that it is ideal for me emphasising my point, so I’m making maximum use of it anyway and ignoring the qualifiers)
Graeme – if a future Australian government worked to a budget and did not increase that budget, but merely reallocated spending where appropriate, it would be the biggest tax cutter in Australias history. However I would not be so rash as to predict or promise that no taxeater would lose their job.
Andrew B — Perhaps I should include this issue in FAQ “is Andrew N a libertarian?” Andrew describes himself as a classical liberal and he believes in decreasing the role of government in nearly all areas. Libertarians are identical to classical liberals and believe in decreasing the role of government.
The false dichotomies that some (including Andrew) use between classical liberal and libertarian don’t hold up. Some claim the former are utilitarian while the latter are rights-based, but this is directly contradicted by dozens of examples.
Milton Friedman and Frederick Hayek (who share Andrew’s philosophy) both said they would prefer to call themselves “liberals” but given that word has changed meaning they accept that they would now be called “libertarian”.
So Andrew N can call himself a penguin or an aadvark for all I care — he is a (moderate) libertarian.
Andrew B – John has dealt well with the issue of Andrew N not self identifying as a libertarian. Plenty of people hold libertarian views without considering themselves to be one, possibly not knowing the name.
There would in fact be no problem, had a non libertarian site proved to be the most popular among us, it would show that we are not insular, just as long as it wasn’t the ‘Kevin Rudd Diaries’ or the ‘John Howard Chronicles’, Paris Hilton or Lindsay Lowhan would be quite acceptible.
Jim, Paris Hilton and Lindsay Lohan are Libertines, not libertarians! There is a difference! Libertines don’t believe in any moral codes, whilst Libertarians believe in being free to follow their own codes of personal conduct. I would not want to join any political party where Paris Hilton was a member, because I suspect it would stand for nothing, and nothing would get done!
I mentioned Paris H and Lindsay L in the same vein as John Howard and Kevin Rudd. I wouldn’t mind if either of the former won most popular blog, whereas the latter winning here would cause me concern.
Actually come to think of it, I wouldnt mind joining a party with a few young nubile libertines in it. Perhaps John could do the next poll on that.
Yes, but would anything actually get done, other than trying out new chat-up lines?
I saw a video with Paris Hilton in it the other month. I think she could run a very attention grabbing campaign, although she needs to improve the quality of lighting in her media releases.