Support an NBN? Then vote out Labor!

Coalition victory could trigger Internode fibre rollout

Some quotes from the article:

“Internode chief Simon Hackett has revealed to the Financial Review newspaper that he expects the Coalition to win the next Federal election and cancel the National Broadband Network; an event which could potentially result in Internode becoming a public company and rolling out its own fibre infrastructure.”

“If the NBN stops, there are clear avenues to go out and build fibre networks and then the case for listing is much stronger.”

Hopefully once the threat of subsidised government competition goes away, we might actually get efficient cheap fast broadband in Australia that we don’t have to pay both inflated monthly fees and extra tax for.

26 thoughts on “Support an NBN? Then vote out Labor!

  1. “Support an NBN? Then vote out Labor!”

    Absolutely. 2.5 years later and there is nearly no work done and Conroy will not answer questions!

  2. Lets get a few things straight about the NBN and what Internode would do, shall we.

    Internode is a very small ISP (they have about 250,000 customers, compared to Telstra Bigpond over 20,000,000). Do you really think that such a tiny company, floated or not, would be more likely to build fibre networks than Telstra?

    The private sector have demonstrated over the previous two decades that they won’t build networks except in the most profitable areas. Telstra passed about 25% of the population with their cable network, then stopped. Optus only covered 15% with theirs. Nobody else built anything at all. Even relatively cheap DSLAMs have only been installed in a few hundred of Telstra’s 5,000 telephone exchanges.

    Sorry, but (at best) Internode would roll out tiny fibre networks in the most profitable areas, and yet again the vast majority of Australians in outer suburbs, regional and rural areas would miss out.

    The NBN is about more than faster networks, it’s about fixing the failure of the private sector in delivering telecommunications infrastructure. Just as with water pipes and power lines, telecom networks should be a utility available to the vast majority of Australians. Then, foster heavy retail competition over than utility.

    As for the NBN monthly fees.
    The ISP Exetel have recently announced their NBN pricing, which starts at $34.50 per month for a bundle of phone and broadband. That is 30% cheaper than the cheapest phone+ADSL anyone over copper, and less than half the price of the cheapest phone+ADSL bundle from Telstra. If you call that inflated, then I wonder how you would describe Telstra’s fibre network pricing for their South Brisbane area. I suggest you look it up, because it’s about double the NBN wholesale pricing for considerably slower speeds. It is that sort of pricing that we have to look forward to in the absence of the NBN.

  3. Exetel also offers ADSL 2+ 20 gigabytes for $39.50 including line rental, with ADSL 2+ often being faster than the NBN offering you quoted. For only $5 more, you also get a standard phone line.

    “The project is to be financed by a combination of a Federal Government investment of A$27.5 billion” (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Broadband_Network#Expected_cost_and_return)

    That’s around $5000 for the average family, a $5 a month saving is going to take a while to catch up.

    What makes you think the government will be able to organise a high technology fibre network efficiently if it can’t even manage to efficiently put insulation in homes?

  4. The private sector have demonstrated over the previous two decades that they won’t build networks except in the most profitable areas. Telstra passed about 25% of the population with their cable network, then stopped. Optus only covered 15% with theirs. Nobody else built anything at all.

    Not by choice. The councils and NIMBYs were screaming about the ugliness of cables in the streets and threatening legal action. The government quietly told Telstra and Optus to stop.

  5. I disagree with the NBN. Although I will admit I first stuck up for it but anyone that says “with ADSL 2+ often being faster than the NBN offering you quoted” is just seriously wrong. Next you will say that ADSL2+ is comparable with cable in most situations. Don’t even try to make that argument. I don;t even care if you are right next door to the DSLAM.

  6. internode offered 100MB+ BEFORE the NBN “existed” at a lower price than the non existent NBN.

    That’s all that matters.

  7. maybe you should flesh out your comments a bit. Internode only offered that to “New” estates.

    Sorry but you be full o’shit dot. Have a look at the pricing between the two… try and campare apples with apples and not apples with a bag of poop!

    Just to make it easy for you here is internode: http://www.internode.on.net/residential/fibre_to_the_home/estates/plans/

    and here is exetel NBN:http://www.exetel.com.au/residential-fibre-pricing-mainland.php

    Like I said I disagree with the NBN on principle but dude get your facts straight

  8. I never said otherwise. You don’t think they’d expand the business eventually going to nearly all homes?

    How many people have taken up the NBN and at what cost, and cost per user?

    The NBN is more expensive, subject to the filter (RED FLAG, it won’t work properly) and will never be completed. The costs have blown-out already hitting $50 bn up from $43 bn.

    2.5 years into it and we’re only up to trial stages. This is absolutely pathetic and has hamstrung technological development in our country.

  9. ah no… your comment was “internode offered 100MB+ BEFORE the NBN “existed” at a lower price than the non existent NBN.

    That’s all that matters.”

    fact wrong… Yes NBN is a complete fuck up and pointless but u be wrong with what u said

  10. “internode offered 100MB+ BEFORE the NBN “existed” at a lower price than the non existent NBN.

    Yes, they did. I never said “all across Australia, even in lower bumfuck”. Okay fine the upload speed is lower…and…

    …I know you are trying to clarify things BUT you keep on omitting that the filter will mean the NBN will perform at considerably lower rates. You cannot begin to tell me to “start comparing apples to apples instead of a bag of shit” when you’re ignoring the 300lb turd hanging over our heads.

    Does anyone know how bad that will be? I don’t think the IT firms of the Federal Government know for sure…

    How will those exetel plans perform when dickhead Conroy implements the filter? How does that comapre to the pre NBN fibre without the filter, or say after three years of development if the Government hadn’t distorted market incentives, without the filter?

    Let’s comapre apples with apples, for clarity’s sake!

  11. the net filter is applied to ISP’s not the NBN. So regardless whether the NBN goes ahead or not, the plan is to apply the filter at the ISP level. So the NBN has no impact on this… how do you like them apples. The filter has nothing to do with the NBN.

    “Yes they did. I never said All across Australia, even in lower Bumfuck””

    so if they they support an area 1m2 then as far as your concerned they offered coverage. Oh and check out where they supply to now… not just pre NBN. you’ll see as far as I can these places are bumfuck http://www.internode.on.net/residential/fibre_to_the_home/estates/coverage/

  12. Having been an exetel naked2+ ADSL I can tell you that they only guarentee 1.5Mbs.I was lucky to 1.8 Although I was a hell of a long way from the exchange. Sorry but fibre does not have this type of speed degredation. if you get 20Mbs then you get actually pretty close to the stated speed. Cable comes close but ADSL2+ is a shit technology

    Exetel offer some fantatsic mobile phone plans (through the optus network) especially if you are already a member.

  13. No. Your criticism was not particularly robust, exceed for upload speeds which I previously ignored. Can you make those comparisons I mentioned?

    (I did respond I’m not sure what you’re looking at…)

  14. there was no citicism. I was just pointing out factual inaccuracies (its a great way to fuck up an argument)… be against it all you want…

    What comparisons are you talking about.. I thought I went to all your points. did I miss something?

  15. Hey- science has solved the problem for us! Some scientists in Europe have claimed to have timed some neutrinos that travel faster than light! If true, these faster speeds will speed-up communications everywhere! It’ll probably all be spam, but it will be quick!

  16. What comparisons are you talking about..

    Well:

    “…I know you are trying to clarify things BUT you keep on omitting that the filter will mean the NBN will perform at considerably lower rates. You cannot begin to tell me to “start comparing apples to apples instead of a bag of shit” when you’re ignoring the 300lb turd hanging over our heads.

    (1)) Does anyone know how bad that will be? I don’t think the IT firms of the Federal Government know for sure…

    (2)) How will those exetel plans perform when dickhead Conroy implements the filter? (3)) How does that comapre to the pre NBN fibre without the filter, or say after three years of development if the Government hadn’t distorted market incentives, without the filter?

    Let’s comapre apples with apples, for clarity’s sake!”

    There are at least three questions there, please answer them. The only inaccuracy was upload speed, which may be irrelevant if you consider the filter.

  17. um I already answered that if you read closely and knew the state of play. The filter is being leveled at the ISP level not the NBN level. SO if the legislation for the filter goes through it will not matter a toss if there is a NBN or not. speed is affected as a result of the filter. To make the NBN = filter is just plainly wrong and just point scoring ( with no success)

  18. “(1)) Does anyone know how bad that will be? I don’t think the IT firms of the Federal Government know for sure…”
    Bad I am sure but you are combining the NBN with the internet filter. I have said above so please read carefully. If the NBN goes ahead the filter will be applied at the ISP level. If the NBN does not go ahead then the filter will be applied at the ISP level. The filter will be shit to speeds but you are confusing it by including this argument.

    “(2)) How will those exetel plans perform when dickhead Conroy implements the filter?”

    Same answer to 1

    ” (3)) How does that compare to the pre NBN fibre without the filter, or say after three years of development if the Government hadn’t distorted market incentives, without the filter?”

    I never said anything about distorting market incentives (as yes it will) my original post was just to point out you had some factual errors. You seem to be trying to squirm around them. Just stick to what is factually correct and you’ll be sweet

  19. I admit one mistake – upload speeds. However, what you are doing is taking the context of what I said out of my comment and calling me dishonest.

    You are being dishonest and running interference for this joke of a Government.

    Very easy to see through.

  20. How am I being dishonest? The net filter and the NBN are two seperate things… you just can’t seem to accept that why I don’t know. Both are unecessary I agree but they are seperate issues and not one.

    BTW good argument “nah your a big lying poo poo head”

  21. Sorry, I misunderstood you. I sensed a degree of one up manship that was unwarranted. I’m probably wrong…anyway I apologise and any apologies are accepted.

    “The net filter and the NBN are two seperate things”

    The NBN will not built without it. Think of Conroy and the DLP Senator, and maybe Xenophon.

    That said – we don’t even know how much the NBN will be slowed down.

    This is a lay down misere for free enterprise.

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