Election Time

On the eve of what will most likely be a landslide win for the LNP in Queensland one has to hope that things will get better. because even with all the nonsense about a 4 pillar economy and plans for more wasteful infrastructure spending, at least the LNP have policies in place to balance the budget and get rid of the hemorrhaging debt that Queensland owes, which alone makes them better than any of the other parties running.  It’s not going to be all sunshine and roses once Campbell’s in, but at least cuts will be made and hopefully change the window of Queensland politics towards more fiscally responsible policy. All that being said, it’s still a miserable situation and so far from the ideal that it’s hopeless comparing it. The mere fact that it is compulsory to vote should make it obvious as to how messed up the whole thing is. It’s clearly a case of the lesser of two evils here, and from all standpoints the LNP is the slightly less evil one.

Any opinions or comments on the current election are welcome.

20 thoughts on “Election Time

  1. Don’t believe it. Howard’s spending was three times that of the previous Keating government. He is a “social democrat”. He told Rudd “I am a bigger socialist than you”. How do you spend more and balance the budget better? They are opposite things. But it’s okay, because Howard is a “conservative” big spender.

    http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/opinion/a-social-democrat-in-disguise/story-e6frerdf-1111112903085
    http://blogs.news.com.au/news/blogocracy/index.php/news/comments/howard_to_rudd_im_a_bigger_socialist_than_you/
    http://andrewnorton.info/2006/11/02/john-howard-conservative-social-democrat-2/
    http://planetirf.blogspot.com.au/2007/01/howard-social-democrat.html

    Of course the LNP promise to make cuts. That’s their image. They use their conservative image as a cover under which to be more socialist than Labor can get away with by doing it out in the open. Labor do the opposite: They use their left-wing image as a cover under which to arrange things for the benefit of big business.

    The LNP is in reality the bigger of the two evils. Remember Howard’s excuse for federalising industrial relations? He said that he was doing it to stop Labor from doing it worse. But the whole thing which was bad about federalising IR was that it was being federalised. How could it be done worse? Socialists want to concentrate power at the federal level. They don’t care much how they do it.

    And as any good libertarian knows, big government and big business are not enemies, they are partners. Socialism and monopolism go hand in hand. There is not difference between the two parties, no real contradiction between policies and their actions. Right and left are wings of the same bird. The real political spectrum is not between socialism and capitalism, but total government and no government.

    The same applies to the Republican and Democrat parties in the U.S. Reagan got away with bigger spending and more socialist policies than the Democrats ever would because of his image as “Mr Conservative”.

    http://blog.mises.org/6598/the-reagan-myth/
    http://mises.org/freemarket_detail.aspx?control=488
    http://mises.org/daily/1544

    Then there is Campbell Newman’s record as Lord Mayor. He confiscated a huge, centrally located property in the suburb of Milton from it’s owner to stop it from being sold to developers,so that he could make the whole thing into a useless “parkland”. Local, LNP councilor Peter Matic cheerfully cooperated. Cr Matic was and is Environment, Parks and Sustainability Committee chairman.

  2. Any six Queenslanders who can sign their names would make a better government than the LNP, as long as their aim was not to destroy the state for their own gain.

  3. “The mere fact that it is compulsory to vote should make it obvious as to how messed up the whole thing is.”
    Not as messed up as a “democracy” (USA) where 37.8% (2010 congressional voter turnout) decide for the remaining 62.2%.

  4. ^ In that case, the remaining 62.2% are allowing the 37.8% to decide for them. Not being compelled to vote is not the same as being forbidden to vote. Those people have a choice of whether to vote. If they choose not to vote, then obviously they do not have an opinion on who to vote for and, if forced to vote, would only make an uninformed or random vote anyway. It is better to have a minority of responsible voters decide than a majority of irresponsible voters decide, although the responsible voters are not necessarily right.

    In a free society, suffrage is not an important issue. Even if only a minority vote, their basic interests are the same as those who don’t vote. Assuming those who vote are properly informed, the vote would be the same no matter what proportion of the population vote. If the government is limited to it’s proper role in a free society (the only just kind of society), then the basic interests of all voters are the same. Conflicts of interest only arise when the government starts intervening beyond protecting the liberties of individuals (and thereby infringes on those liberties itself).

    As for democracy, the U.S. was never intended to be a democracy. The founders considered democracy to be the worst form of government. They only established democratic elections for government, not a democratic system for the government of society itself. Democracy is collectivist and tyrannical. It is the dictatorship of the majority over the minority. In a democracy, the actions of the individual are decided by the vote of the whole group and his liberties are thereby restricted. The type of government you need for a free society is limited government.

  5. So, how much of a check can the carful of Labor members in Qld now apply to the new government? Untramelled democracy in action? Do we want that?

  6. Yes loki…conservatives make monumental stuff ups and prior to the stimulus, Howard was the highest taxing Government in Australia.

    Give it a rest for the moment. QLD is 90 bn in debt and it is a good thing is that gets paid off.

    How on earth did Bligh get into 90 bn of debt during a resources boom?

    I’m not expecting much of Newman. But a broom has to go through the QPS and clear the debt.

    If I were Newman I’d automatically grant amnesty and release for all non violent drug offenders, legalise pot and abolish payroll tax. Decriminalise all other drugs. Change the land tax to a LVT with a lower, broader rate. Assets would be sold to pay the debt off within one year. He is doing a fantastic job getting rid of the QLD carbon abatement. I think it would be a good idea to reduce the cabinet to seven members or less and anymore Ministries than Cabinet members would signify waste.

    What would you do, loki?

  7. “Yes loki…conservatives make monumental stuff ups and prior to the stimulus, Howard was the highest taxing Government in Australia.”

    Why is it an accident when a conservative does it and deliberate and corrupt when a socialist does it? How can a conservative accidentally do something socialist? If somebody who calls himself a conservative follows socialist policies, it is because he is not a real conservative. He is following socialist policies for the same reason socialists do: expansion of government power in the interests of big business.

    “Give it a rest for the moment. QLD is 90 bn in debt and it is a good thing is that gets paid off.”

    How will he do that? Raise taxes? Cut spending? History shows that increasing taxes just makes the government spend more. Newman will not abolish any of the areas which the government spends money on. He didn’t don it as Lord Mayor and he won’t do it as Premier. As I pointed out, Howard spent three times as much as Keating.

    “How on earth did Bligh get into 90 bn of debt during a resources boom?”

    That IS the reason. She took advantage of the boom to increase spending.

    “I’m not expecting much of Newman. But a broom has to go through the QPS and clear the debt.”

    Well that is too much to expect of Newman, so I don’t see what one has to do with the other.

    “If I were Newman I’d automatically grant amnesty and release for all non violent drug offenders, legalise pot and abolish payroll tax. Decriminalise all other drugs. Change the land tax to a LVT with a lower, broader rate. Assets would be sold to pay the debt off within one year. He is doing a fantastic job getting rid of the QLD carbon abatement. I think it would be a good idea to reduce the cabinet to seven members or less and anymore Ministries than Cabinet members would signify waste.

    What would you do, loki?”

    Then, no central bank, no drug laws, no business regulation, no taxes, no subsidies, no minorities programs, no multiculturalism, no environmentalism, no intervention in the arts, and so on all the way down until I hit something solid. Things the common people presently depend on in large numbers get phased out as the overall level of personal prosperity revives – government education, government welfare, government health care. Meanwhile, government schools get minimum funding for the minimum of facilities required for a good, solid education. Government health care is disconnected from the dominant, medical and pharmaceutical industries and recipients allowed their own choice of treatment. Government funding of abortions would cease. I’d reject all further federal funding so that Queensland can take back her independence.

    As for paying off the debt, I’d announce to all householders the cost to each of paying the debt off and tell them the chickens have come home to roost. I’d also tell them the fraudulent mechanism by which the money was borrowed in the first place.

    Then, I would secede.

  8. Loki3, when socialists centralise, we expect it- and, in their defence, they do not say otherwise. When Beazley was Opposition leader, he openly talked about new taxes being needed. Conservatives often talk about States’ rights, and then do nothing. And look how hard it is to reform our tax system- Howard wanted an all-embracing GST, and hoped to get rid of some other taxes.
    Maybe the whole system is geared to feed the center…..

  9. “Loki3, when socialists centralise, we expect it- and, in their defence, they do not say otherwise. When Beazley was Opposition leader, he openly talked about new taxes being needed. Conservatives often talk about States’ rights, and then do nothing.”

    Wake up and smell the coffee. Those “conservatives” implement socialism because they like it, because it serves their interests. The whole idea of the LNP’s conservative window-dressing is to sell us socialism under the cloak of conservatism.

    Understand this: Socialism is nothing but government intervention, which naturally serves the interests of whoever is in government and the highest bidding businessmen. Socialism serves the interests of anybody in government, regardless of ideology, even if they are libertarian. Libertarianism serves the people’s interests, not the government’s interests. If a politician carries out libertarian policies, he does so against his own interests, in the interests of everyone else. He does it simply to keep his job.

    We have two parties pushing two camps of ideology, in order to herd people of both ideologies into the coral. Conservatives don’t just talk and do nothing. They talk one way and act the other way. They actively carry out the opposite of what they say. They just don’t tell you they are doing it – they tell you they are doing the opposite.

    “And look how hard it is to reform our tax system- Howard wanted an all-embracing GST, and hoped to get rid of some other taxes.”

    Yes, Howard tried very hard. I guess the handset on his telephone was just too heavy for him to lift. Otherwise he could have made some calls to the people under him who would then have begun making the necessary changes. Hang on, the Liberals were in control of the government, right? Just checking.

    The GST is more oppressive and totalitarian than all of the other taxes – it is applied uniformly to everyone and catches everyone at the cash register. The GST was devised by socialists, made United Nations policy and then made Australian government policy – Liberal and Labor – in response this.

    “Maybe the whole system is geared to feed the center…..”

    Don’t blame “the system”. The system was put there by people and would not be there for any longer than the government of the day wanted it to be there. That’s why they are called the government – they govern.

  10. “Classic left statist / right statist situation. Different sides are just in charge of getting money out of different pockets.”

    Different pockets? The same amount comes out of my pocket when either party is in.

  11. I’d say the GST is more egalitarian than other taxes. It applies equally and to all; as taxes should. Progressive taxation is a social evil.

    Then again, taxing rather than charging for benefit derived is daft in the first place.

    If you want approved theology, go elsewhere. I’ve found this a pretty good place to get rational discussion on heresy. For me, the whole point of this is to find and consider different perspectives.

  12. ^ I just want the site to be about what it says it is about – libertarianism. I can find other perspectives all over the rest of the web.

  13. So loki why does QLD want to get rid of the central bank and why do you want them to pay income tax and GST they never receive back as revenue in the form of State grants?

    Surely abolishing State taxes and only using Federal grant money is a better option.

    “The GST is more oppressive and totalitarian than all of the other taxes”

    No. I also know that you are a rabid, unhinged troll.

  14. “So loki why does QLD want to get rid of the central bank and why do you want them to pay income tax and GST they never receive back as revenue in the form of State grants?”

    I don’t want to pay income tax or GST. I want to get rid of the central bank because it is the primary cause of our economic problems and also political ones.

    “Surely abolishing State taxes and only using Federal grant money is a better option.”

    Yes, making the states financially reliant upon the federal government would be a great way to restore their political and economic independence.

    ““The GST is more oppressive and totalitarian than all of the other taxes”

    No. I also know that you are a rabid, unhinged troll.”

    Another brilliant argument. How can I stand before such devastating, iron-clad logic?

  15. ^ I didn’t say the premier of Queensland shoud abolish the RBA or the GST. I just said I want them abolished. Central banks place control of banking and the economy in government hands. That is a plank in the Communist Manifesto. The income tax is another plank in the Communist Manifesto. I don’t believe it is controversial to say that Marx and Engels were not libertarians.

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